Curse

assassin rob · May 19, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Hi everybody,I'm pretty new here on gwguru and maybe i'm getting my ass flamed when this topic is on.

1.Hard mode
The first day when i heard about Hard mode it was like : Wow,a new challenge for myself and Ty a-net.But i forget to read about the Loot scaling but it doesn't matter me at all.Because i was farming A lot with my ranger slave spirits so i better stopped with it (can also do it now,more dead swords).So i was trying to make a good build for the mission in tyria with the chars.Around an half hour later i had a good build, A ranger/mo Apply burning (Apply Poison+Burning arrow) with an Order (N/Rt) , Ele(Zhed fire magic) and Talhkora as Woh healer. I went out the mission (Great wall) and it was a lot different:All guys were lv 20, Devourers things that were using an elite.It was pretty fun until that big pool there when they are fighting.I got Spiked by those guys,Then i was thinking like

mg,Did so long for it and then i just died.Tryed it with SS and didn't worked at all. And i think in my opinion that Hard mode is a little too "hard".Ring of fire mission is almost impossible to do.

2.Playing with a full player team
Yes, I most say that this is screwed up.If you go to a mission like Allesio seaboard,you will find nobody there and henchmens are too stupid xD.Also on hard mode it's to hard.People know that you can play all mission with heroes and hencmen out and thats why it's not fun anymore.i'm playing this game for 20 months and the first time when i was playing gw.That was fun,no heroes and hencmen shit,only real people that were playing together in a mission trying to get the bonus+Mission.Now the day it's only for Farming somewhere

3.Bots
As i've readen on the forums , A-net should ban about 2000 bots each week/month(dunno anymore),Only thing to say it : Go go go A-net and Ban them all

So that the eco in the game should be a little better.I also hope for the people that got banned for no reason because A-net was thinking they were a bot that you get your account back.I'm still seeing a lot of bots in Citadel and Bergen hot springs,but it should be cool if it was not possible to use a macro like this in gw.Something like Punkbuster.

4.Rank Discrimination,Pvp
I hate that i can't get in a team because of rank needing.I played a lot of Ra/Ta, Hb ,Ab and know how to Pvp. I missed the Iway time(to bussy with pve) and Eoe,Blood spike.Also if you want to be in a gvg guild you need a rank like champion.People who wants to play Gvg (i love it) can't get in a good guild that plays gvg./me signs for a deletion of rank/fame or something else so people are not so stupid with that damn rank

Renegade26 · May 19, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

Maybe you are simply not good enough for Hard Mode. I dont know, but it IS a possibilty.

And onto the Rank Discrimation problem, it is not new. And it is wrong to say all high ranked players got it through "the Iway time(to bussy with pve) and Eoe, Blood spike".

Maybe you are a good player who can PvP, but RA and AB do not teach this. There are ways to get into guilds that gvg, just get noticed and play well. Join a low ranked guild and work your way up, because youre not alone. Take all the players who think they are good at PvP without rank and see where you get.

Zinger314 · May 19, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

You did Orders in a 4 man group?! Case closed.

Hard Mode requires some actual thinking about group composition. You cannot expect to use the same builds in Normal Mode in Hard Mode.

The undead Mesmer · May 19, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

*laughs at Zinger* comeon dont be so rude

give the poor bloke a break!

Yeah there will always be rank Discrimination cant help it there is however a way to get past this... find a nice guild who is willing to do HoH with you or just post a PuG post somewhere else on this forum (they got a special place for that I believe?)

yeah I didnt flame go me

Racthoh · May 19, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

As it has been echoed in other threads Hard Mode is optional. If it is too difficult for you, or you can't get groups, then just don't do it.

Gun Pierson · May 19, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

First try to walk before you wanne run. Maybe you'll never be a good runner, but there's no shame in being a good walker.

Friday · May 19, 2007, 10:14 PM // 22:14

MirageMaster, do you ever have a thought in your head that does not contain hatred?

What a terrible world you must live in.

KamikazeChicken · May 19, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Everyone needs to stop hating Hard Mode because of their own dysfunctions.

Do you NEED people? No. You can hench and hero almost everything. It's not nearly as nice to be unable to socialize when doing something, but the majority of it all can be done without a second human.

Is hard mode TOO hard? No. I'd vote it's not nearly hard enough, and the way they increased difficulty was pointless. The only reason people may find it hard is because hench suck and ball up against AoE.

That being said, you can still SOLO heal through the desert in Tyria (I think we used a second monk in Thirsty because that's who showed up). You can also solo heal the noob islands in both Elona and Cantha. I realize that a lot of people aren't good enough to solo heal through those things, but that's their own shortcoming, not hard mode. (I'll ignore things like Glint that weren't changed at all, and most things in end-of-the-game missions are simply 2 levels higher with no skill changes. >.>)

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Originally Posted by assassin rob

so on hard mode it's to hard.

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Originally Posted by assassin rob

People know that you can play all mission with heroes and hencmen out and thats why it's not fun anymore.

If everyone else seems to be able to do it with heroes/hench, it must not be too hard. You need to start taking a look at your own gaming ability. I'm not going to touch rank discrimination and whatnot because I'm fairly certain your skill will be the main point in question.

Amy Awien · May 19, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

He meant normal missions. Though, it still wouldn't matter.

Anyway, HM in the early area's is even more difficult because you ave to work with 4 man teams. I'd suggest trying southern shiverspeak first. would give ou some time to get used to the differences.

Koross · May 21, 2007, 03:14 AM // 03:14

I was overjoyed when hardmode was delivered. I took it as a breath of fresh air into Guild Wars. Unfortunately, I had a few rude awakenings in the Fort Ranik mission and I needed to rethink about my build and group composition. However, once I got used to the difficulty and uniqueness of each mob in the mission, I could more or less handle them adequately.

Granted, some areas (non-mission) are difficult because of the presence of some bosses (casters mostly). Getting a party wipe from one meteor spell is not amusing to say the least.

Hard mode is just that: Hard. Its not for people who are looking for some casual games. Its for people who are looking for more challenge in the game. However, deaths are really punished in hard mode as the more DP you get, its even easier for the mobs to put you down. Unfortunately, some areas do need a party full of human players to properly function (of course this fully depends on the profession you are playing at the moment) but most of the areas could be done with heroes & henchies.

Juicey Shake · May 21, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

wait wait, let me get this straight, hard mode is actualyl supposed to be.. hard?

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.

Navaros · May 21, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

Hard mode is easy if you have real humans to party with you.

The problem with hard mode is not that it's too hard, it's that it's too hard for AI bots to compete in combined with there is virtually never anyone else to party with in hard mode. Especially if 4 of them are henchmen with very few & very crappy skills.

Div · May 21, 2007, 04:36 AM // 04:36

1. Sorry to break it to you, but maybe you're just not good enough to play in hard mode. Wait? Hard mode is hard? What is anet thinking?!?!

2. Henchmen are too stupid? They may not be as smart as good players, but they're only as dumb as their controller.

3. There are very little people who get banned for no reason. All you hear about is the few cases of whiners that get banned for doing stupid stuff.

4. I missed IWAY, bspike, etc. too. Hate to break it to you again, but maybe you don't know PvP, and maybe you're just fit to play in easy mode in PvE. You can't expect to just start out PvP and hope to get into the #1 guild. It's just like someone who just recently joined the army can't expect to be a general. Everyone has to start from the bottom up.

And no offense, but if you get spiked down in Great Northern Wall and have trouble completing it, then it says something about your build/skill.

undeadgun · May 21, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

If u CANT or u DONT like the game or HM, dont play it, no one is begging you to play, complain too hard? go buy four leaf clover, too poor to buy em? go back to NM farm, the whole HM is too Hard thing drives me nuts, if you cant or u dont like it, then stop playing it凸-_-凸

Metalmaster · May 21, 2007, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by assassin rob

1.Hard mode
Tryed it with SS and didn't worked at all. And i think in my opinion that Hard mode is a little too "hard".

SS totally rocks in Hard Mode.

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Originally Posted by assassin rob

4.Rank Discrimination,Pvp
I hate that i can't get in a team because of rank needing.I played a lot of Ra/Ta, Hb ,Ab and know how to Pvp. Also if you want to be in a gvg guild you need a rank like champion.People who wants to play Gvg (i love it) can't get in a good guild that plays gvg./me signs for a deletion of rank/fame or something else so people are not so stupid with that damn rank.

If u rly played that much Ra/Ta etc then u should hv gladiator rank. And believe me some PvP guilds do value this. If u hv no such rank - get it. And stop whining.

Luna Star · May 21, 2007, 07:57 AM // 07:57

As for PvE each area requires some stuff, aegis and Protective spirit are great, but nothing will help if you don't know how to use it.
As for PvP for people to consider you good you have to prove that you are good, nothing is free in life.

cthulhu reborn · May 21, 2007, 08:04 AM // 08:04

As for Northern Wall in HM...that big group in the pool are 2 groups fighting each other. If you're good at sneaking and know the map well you can just walk by them otherwise you can wait for them to kill most of each other before you go in.

freekedoutfish · May 21, 2007, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Yes hard mode is (astoundingly) hard!!! And you were shocked by that?

If you find it too hard, then dont play it. It doesnt add to the campaign, it just gives you something else to do. But for the record, it is possible...

(I know ive posted that a few times on different threads, but its only to prove to people that HM isnt impossible)

..... as you can see!

And yes it is hard to find PUGs, because virtually no one is doing missions in hard mode. People are more interested in farming in hard mode. But it only took me around 2-3 weeks to get GOT, so its not impossible. You just need to be patient and wait it out in outposts and towns.

As for the 4 man mission areas in Ascalon; a type is to try and bring an MM! They wipe those areas!

As for using henches; I like the fact that the AI is too stupid be used in HM. I'd rather it incouraged people to PUG because its harder. You have AI to help in NM if you need it. Leave HM for real human teams.

As for any farming nerfs in HM, (ive said this before) I dont really have any sympathy. I vanguised an area in HM in Cantha last night on the training island and came away with 5k just selling the drops to the merchant.

You can make ALOT of gold by simply vanguishing areas or doing the missions. I made about 100k just attaining GOT, and doing nothing but missions and selling items to the merchant.

If that isnt good enough for players to make gold, then their just being greedy and I have no time for players like that.

There isnt anything wrong with HM!

1) Its meant to be hard - hence the name!
2) You can make alot of gold just playing HM missions and vanguishing, so famers have nothing to winge about.
3) Be patient and you'l find PUGs.

undeadgun · May 21, 2007, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Yes hard mode is (astoundingly) hard!!! And you were shocked by that?

There isnt anything wrong with HM!

说得好，right on

Roshi_ikkyu · May 21, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by assassin rob

3.Bots
As i've readen on the forums , A-net should ban about 2000 bots each week/month(dunno anymore),Only thing to say it : Go go go A-net and Ban them all

So that the eco in the game should be a little better.I also hope for the people that got banned for no reason because A-net was thinking they were a bot that you get your account back.I'm still seeing a lot of bots in Citadel and Bergen hot springs,but it should be cool if it was not possible to use a macro like this in gw.Something like Punkbuster.

The problem with bots is a love/hate relationship.
There is the demand for ingame gold, so creative people create farm companies (Like sweat shops) where people assisted by macros farm all day long. Its there Job. Its hardly ever a single guy with 32 pc's running bots, there organised companies.

Anet Bans said bots at a rate of like 2000 bots per month, and 5 innocent players running a farming build :P, they post notices to get cheers from the players.

Then Farm Inc goes and buys another 500 copies of GW, if there lucky they get a few tiral keys. They quick level the monks, warrior, eles what ever there bot basis is, then there back in action. And Anet just sold another 500 copies of there game, making them more money.

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Originally Posted by assassin rob

4.Rank Discrimination,Pvp
I hate that i can't get in a team because of rank needing.I played a lot of Ra/Ta, Hb ,Ab and know how to Pvp. I missed the Iway time(to bussy with pve) and Eoe,Blood spike.Also if you want to be in a gvg guild you need a rank like champion.People who wants to play Gvg (i love it) can't get in a good guild that plays gvg./me signs for a deletion of rank/fame or something else so people are not so stupid with that damn rank

Yes its sad, find a decent guild to GvG with. If your Guild is soo worried about teaching new players, it not worth it.
Avoid he stupid elitest groups untill u have rank.
And I'll be back in 4mths to mock u when your the ranked elitest dissing the non-ranked newb lol :P